She wanted to tell him he wasn't a killer, but -- had their roles been reverse? She would have felt so so similarly.

"He said a lot of things, actually. He made it pretty clear that death costs him nothing. I, uhm, asked him what he lost when we last met and he only told me that...that whatever I took from him, he'd already given away. His life, I suppose."

And that willingness -- that sacrifice -- seemed so key in all that he had said.